Why should we read Scriptures?
Doesn’t it make sense to know the rules of the game before participating in it?
Is it not necessary to know the traffic rules before riding a vehicle?
Is it not necessary to follow the processes (ISO/ CMMI/ Six Sigma etc) to deliver the right product to the customer within the deadline?
Is it not necessary for an employee to know the basic ethics and etiquettes before working in an organization?
If you answered ‘YES’ for any of the above then read further…
Suppose that you are gifted a gadget by your friend. And you and your friend really don’t know what that gadget is all about, how to use it, where to use it, how to operate it. So in that case the only best way or the simplest way to make use of that gadget, to use all its features is to read its product manual once…right…
Same is the case with our life too. Our life is a product. We are really new to this life; every day is new to us.
But where are our Product manuals which can guide us to use the product i.e. life. in a sound manner…or Do we have Product manuals…?
Yes we have…Vedas are the product manuals of human life. There we can find a perfect blueprint of a happy life.
So now one may ask why only Vedas when there are so many self help books to guide us?
In fact those self help books may be helpful up to some extent. But we should not forget that those self help books are written by a person like you and me who is still learning how to handle life.
Only Nikon camera manufacturer will be knowing how Nikon camera will work, how to adjust the settings for the best photo, where the camera will not work etc. So Nikon camera manufacturer will come up with a Product manual having some Do’s and Don’ts to help users to use Nikon camera to its best.
Because Neither Nikon camera itself will know how it works! Nor Canon camera’s product manual can be used for Nikon camera. (Very ridiculous right…) So how can a self help book help us fully?
So your next question will be aren’t Vedas written by man?
No, Vedas are not written by man. They are ‘apaurusah’ means not man made. They are given by some one who has developed the product called human being (plants, animals etc). They were created right after the creation of the product.
Traffic rules:
Why traffic rules are made by the Govt?
For the welfare of its people, to ensure that there is smooth flow of vehicles. If we don’t follow traffic rules then accidents will increase or we may have to pay fine to the traffic police. Even if we say we were not aware of the rules it will neither avoid accident nor avoid paying the fine to the police.
It means we are already following so many rules made by the Government (which governs a particular state/ country) and unknowingly deriving happiness from it.
Similarly God (who governs the Universe/s and is the owner of universe/s) has made some simple rules for the welfare of His children. So we have to read the Vedas or the Bhagavad-Gita or other bona fide scriptures to derive Unlimited Real Happiness.
So your next question will be aren’t Vedas written by man?
No, Vedas are not written by man. They are ‘apaurusah’ means not man made. They are given by some one who has developed the product called human being (plants, animals etc). They were created right after the creation of the product.
Why not think bit rationally ? How come humans were able to get vedas as soon as they were created? Why they were only given to Indians or is it that only Indians were privileged for it? Why you accept everything that you read, why don’t u give a thought before believing it? Even Christians have similar thoughts about Bible so whose story is correct? Dont say both are right !!!
As i said earlier read from neutral point of view.
Have little more patience.
I would like to remind that I have not left any stone unturned to understand the right meaning of God, religion.
All your questions are very valid and Vedas have lucid, scientific, logical, the perfect answers for all of them.
Plz attend some programs http://basicsfoundation.com then you will understand much better.
Let us take the same analogy suppose that we buy a nikon camera from a shop, we will get its product manual along with that.
How can we be assured that the product manual that is there in its box is written by Nikon camera manufacturer?
Simple when all the instructions given there are exactly matching with the Nikon camera to get the best snaps in different modes etc..right…
We even know that Nikon manufacturer didn’t hand over the manual to us directly, instead it was sent by manufacturer to so many dealer(s) then finally to the end user.
Suppose if there is some mismatch in the manual, i.e some instructions, do’s and dont’s are not really working to keep the camera safe and sound then we can understand that some discrepancy has happened in the middle b/n manufacurer and end user.(note that manufacturer will not hav done any mistake as he will know in and out about his product).
Did you think God gave Vedas printed in some A4 size sheets..hey just kidding..there is much higher Science involved here.
You will understand it a little later.
“They are given by some one who has developed the product called human being (plants, animals etc). They were created right after the creation of the product.”
Again back to same question and I would really like to see what is your understanding of god (religion we will take up some other time
). I will have a look at the link but still in few lines you can explain if u have understood it well.
According to you if humans were created by God and he gave them vedas why is it that only Indians have it? Why not others? Whats the explanation that Vedas give if you have any??
“Did you think God gave Vedas printed in some A4 size sheets..hey just kidding..there is much higher Science involved here.
You will understand it a little later.”
Good Joke
Will keep discussing and hope i am not eating up ur time……
God means Bhagavan…
just like
Gunavan means who one has guna.
Sriman means one who has beauty.
Buddiman means one who has intelligence.
Similarly Bhagavan means one who has Bhaga.
Bhaga means ‘opulences’…
Definition of God in Vedas:
aisvaryasya samagrasya
viryasya yasasah sriyah
jnana-vairagyayos caiva
sannam bhaga itingana
(Visnu Purana 6.5.47)
The person who possesses all the riches, all the strength, all the wisdom, all the beauty, all renunciation, all fame is called God.
Krishna (Vishnu) is Bhagavan.
Because Vedas are given by Bhagavan who has unlimited wisdom, Vedas are so perfect with absolutely no flaws in it.
Vedas are called ‘Achyuta’ meaning infallible i.e never wrong, failing or making a mistake.
But these days many swamijis are claming themselves as God and many are getting cheated bec they really don’t know who is real God.
Religion means scientific understanding of the supreme controller, God i.e to understand the supreme controller and obey Him–that’s all. and God doesn’t suggest something impractical to His children.
In the state, the good citizen is he who understands the government and obeys the laws of the government, and the bad citizen is the one who doesn’t care for the government. So, if we become bad citizen by ignoring God’s government, then we are irreligious. And if we are a good citizen, then we are religious.
By breaking a law one can some how escape from government but one cannot escape at all from God’s government.
Just see We all love Sachin because of his strength, fame in cricket.
All love Einstein because of his intelligence.
All love Bill Gates because of his richness etc.
Just see how much one has to love God who has unlimited opulences.
Primarily, religion means to know God and learn how to love Him.
Because in this kali yuga no one knows the right meaning of God and Religion there is total havoc or chaos in the world, between countries, states, society, families etc.
I could not stop from commenting on this
“Because in this kali yuga no one knows the right meaning of God and Religion there is total havoc or chaos in the world, between countries, states, society, families etc.”
You need to add one more thing to the list, ISKON guys. I think ISKON guys have failed to understand God and relegion according to you, becoz they (blore and mumbai ISKON) are fighting each other for the ownership of the temples. Whats ur view on this? Nothing against ISKON its just an observation with wat u tell and wat they r doing?
Good one…keep commenting for better understanding.
You hav researched a lot it seems
Hare Krishna movement or ISKCON is not just another temple. This movement was started in 15th century in West Bengal by Lord Chaitanya who is Lord Krishna Himself. This fact was already there in the Vedas clearly. (this u may not believe now).
Even the fact that Krishna is going to come in the form of Buddha was also in the Vedas clearly.
So God keeps coming by Himself or sends His pure devotees to re-establish Dharma i.e religion some or the other way.
Srila Prabhupada, a pure devotee of the God at the age of 70 circled the globe 14 times to come up with 108 temples single handedly in 6 continents, to reestablish Dharma, to see that Vedas reach all human beings thro’ out earth, to keep the genuineness of Vedas coming from the God intact.
About the issue:
Vedas say..
“When one has attained the topmost position of maha-bhagavata, he is to be accepted as a guru and worshipped exactly like Hari, the
Personality of Godhead. Only such a person is eligible to occupy the post of a guru.”
“One can become guru when he is ordered by his guru. That’s all. Otherwise nobody can become guru.”
and many statements like this…
Prabhupada reminded his devotees before his death that he would live forever in his books, and through them would remain present as a spiritual master or guru.
Srila Prabhupad didn’t appoint anyone to be the guru of ISKCON as no body had such qualification.
But ISKCON Mumbai devotees may be they have not understood the right meaning of God and religion had started working against instructions of Vedas, against instructions of guru.
But ISKCON Bangalore having understood the right meaning of God and religion always retains Prabhupada, the pure representive of Lord Krishna as the guru. Bec ISKCON bglore was against ISKCON mumbai, the latter was busy making many baseless allegations from past 9 years against the former using local politicians.
Satyameva jayate (from Mundaka upanishad)
Truth alone triumphs
That issue is over. On April 17th 2009 the court has judged ISKCON-Bangalore as an independent body separate from the ISKCON-Mumbai.
Dont get much into these issues, these will just eat our time and brain.
Everybody will have their own versions of story to make, u or I will never know the reality. When u dont accept that ISKCON mumbai guys dont understand God and relegion, then in ur opin except ISKCON blore guys nobody else would know the right meaning. One who accepts what we say will be part of our idealogy/group, otherwise we disown them. Thats the attitude over here.
If ppl so close to Krishna ( I dont know why he is the only GOD for whom so much import is given, others are dead by now or wat?? Dont say Kaliyug is Krishna’s time) cant understand then there should be a reason for all these. May be ISKCON doesnt know how to teach their disciple or the Guru dint know (the way our education system is causing so many problems today, nor is it solving them accrdng to u). So here comes my point, ISKCON or the gurus would hav taught and preached wat they could have but they cant enforce somebody to follow them, that’s why the infighting in ISKCON. In the same way watever the parents and edn system teaches to someone today, it cannot enforce on them becoz nobody can be controlled ( not even ur so called GOD). That’s why as long as individuals dont understand wat is right or wrong and act with good intentions we are bound to see so many problems. So the problems arise from humans not from the edn system. Your dont have to read vedas just to understand wat is right or wrong, even after reading them we can see what is happening in ISKCON. Again nothing against vedas, my context is Vedas + ISKCON (with no common man). In this case wat do u propose as substitue to Vedas for ISKCON mumbai guys? Just re-read them !!!!!
Hav patience…
About the closed issue:
Its so easy for you to comment like this, and its so difficult for me to convince you
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Anyway i will try to reflect the absolute truth…
“Everybody will have their own versions of story to make, u or I will never know the reality.”
I know reality…
Prabhupad, a pure devotee of God knew that these kind of issues are very common in Kali yuga which is the age of quarrel, disagreement, hypocrisy. So he had clearly ORDERED that all ISKCONs are independent to each other and they should run separately. There are many many written documents, letters and proofs saying that he had not appointed any one to be guru.
Today there are 400+ ISKCONs in the whole world to spread Vedas. Not just ISKCON bangalore, almost all have retained Prabhupad as guru. So its not that ISKCON bglore alone knows right meaning of God & religion. Any body who has CORRECTLY
understood and followed Vedas irrespective of whether he/she is in touch with ISKCON or not, knows the right meaning of God and religion.
“wat do u propose as substitue to Vedas for ISKCON mumbai guys?”
If u remember i had asked u a question in today’s education sys post.
“Do u think any of these problems are going to be stopped at any point of time unless one reads and FOLLOWS product manuals?”
So I would suggest ISKCON mumbai guys to read and FOLLOW product manuals. Not just for them but for everyone including myself…
Bec only Nikon camera manufacturer will know how his camera works, where it fails etc.
Just reading product manual will not help. Instructions given in manual need to be followed.
Find some time and read these…
About education:
I am not against Modern education.
Here comes my point——->
1) If the whole world reads and FOLLOWS Vedas, whole world will get REAL happiness, peace PERMANENTLY.(im not at all exaggerating bec Vedas are product manuals):-)
2) If the whole world reads and FOLLOWS Modern education, still there is no guarantee that whole world will be happy, peaceful even temporarily.(reread this)
Think about whole world in general.
Thats what exactly has happened with the world today. Dont just think about yourself, you may be little well balanced
According to Vedas “its human tendancy to think that money alone gives happiness.”
My CONCERN is Vedas not being a part of today’s education system; people have become fully confused in all of their endeavors of finding real happiness. Education that we are getting today in schools/ colleges can be used ONLY for earning money, improving comforts of our lives. Of course these are a must for man to survive. But it’s quite obvious today’s Education has nothing to do with adding value/ meaning to our lives or solving life problems. So it’s indirectly pointing “Money is everything”.
Brain drain happening in India is one of the testimonials for this fact.
Just to give some striking scenarios:
America is a country which is fully non vedic, which is fully lost in modern edn sys. I mean Americans are completely good in modern education and FOLLOWING it completely.
Even after being the richest country it is not the happiest country. It is 152nd happiest country out of just 178 countries that were surveyed!!
In US….
Approx. number of attempted suicides in a year is 650,000.
13 million doses of tranquilizers are prescribed every year. (Tranquilizers are used when mind is fully agitated, even can’t sleep)
50000 stress related suicides every year.
12 million alcoholics in US.
About 50% of marriages end in divorces, about 67% of second marriages end in divorces, about 74% of third marriages end in divorces…
80% of illnesses treated in US are Emotionally Induced Illnesses. (EIT)
The average American consumes in a 72-year lifetime approx:
11 cattles
3 lambs and sheep
23 pigs
45 turkeys
1100 chickens &
862 pounds of fish!
AT THE COST OF SOMONE DYING BEC OF MALNUTRITON.
UN Secretary General has admitted that “…meat consumption in rich countries is key cause for hunger around the world.”
I hav just given a glimpse of other side of the richest country.
The reason behind these problems is———>
In modern edn system no where it is told even implicitly
“Dont eat non veg”,
“Money alone won’t assure happiness”,
“How to get REAL happiness?”
unlike in flawless Vedic education where many more things like this, have been told explicitly, which can solve real problems of society…ofcourse if followed.
But wen no body knows abt Vedas where is the question of following.
Coming to India…
Problems in India have not reached such a stage ONLY ONLY bec Indians are little bit VEDIC without their knowledge, there is some culture(dharma) still left in India, there is still some fear about God in people.
But India can achieve that feat(???) in the coming decades if Vedas continue to fade from human beings or if Vedas dont become a part of Today’s curriculum. But i’m sure Vedas will never be made a part today’s curriculum by the educated(?) Educational Dept bec they are not smart enough to do so. Once again hats off to Lord Macualay…
So ISKCON Bglore is knocking the doors of schools and colleges to give Vedic programs to Awaken the unguided youth…
The problem is not in stem, branches or leaves. The problem is in the ROOTS…!!!:-( But very few know this
Again search for the grain of truth. These are not opinions these are facts.
Basic problem is I had not written a convincing, explainative post on Today’s educaUtion sys bec I had written it quite urgently. Surely I will come up one post which can make any one to nod their head.
You may(will) not be convinced by any of these painstakingly written explanations.
After all wat ever u read in this blog is just theory and Theory is always theory. Only wen theory is backed up by practicals then we can understand, literally perceive and appreciate theory.
Programs conducted in ISKCON Bglore are practical classes
Thanks for reading so far…
I am not against Modern education.
THAT’s A GOOD SIGN….BUT TO SHOW VEDAS ARE BETTER U R TRYING TO MALIGN TODAYS EDN SYS WHICH IS NOT GOOD, I DONT MIND IF U ONLY SAY WAT IS GOOD ABT VEDAS, I WOULD NOT EVEN CONTEST IT
Here comes my point——->
1) If the whole world reads and FOLLOWS Vedas, whole world will get REAL happiness, peace PERMANENTLY.(im not at all exaggerating bec Vedas are product manuals):-)
MAY BE, I DON’T DENY IT – GOOD THINGS SHOULD NOT HARM
2) If the whole world reads and FOLLOWS Modern education, still there is no guarantee that whole world will be happy, peaceful even temporarily.(reread this)
Think about whole world in general.
Thats what exactly has happened with the world today. Dont just think about yourself, you may be little well balanced
MAY BE, I DON’T DENY IT – TODAY’S EDN DINT TEACH ME ABT FINDING REAL HAPPINESS IN LIFE
According to Vedas “its human tendancy to think that money alone gives happiness.”
My CONCERN is Vedas not being a part of today’s education system; people have become fully confused in all of their endeavors of finding real happiness. Education that we are getting today in schools/ colleges can be used ONLY for earning money, improving comforts of our lives. Of course these are a must for man to survive. But it’s quite obvious today’s Education has nothing to do with adding value/ meaning to our lives or solving life problems. So it’s indirectly pointing “Money is everything”.
MONEY IS EVERYTHING EVEN FOR UNEDUCATED – WHO TAUGHT THEM ? So understand that there is no point in blaming edn system for all the loopholes in society, it may not be the perfect system but not the worse.
Brain drain happening in India is one of the testimonials for this fact.
I DONT THINK SO, brain drain was happening due to lack of oppurtunities, i think u hav missed it today reverse brain drain is happening !!!
Just to give some striking scenarios:
America is a country which is fully non vedic, which is fully lost in modern edn sys. I mean Americans are completely good in modern education and FOLLOWING it completely.
Even after being the richest country it is not the happiest country. It is 152nd happiest country out of just 178 countries that were surveyed!!
I hav just given a glimpse of other side of the richest country.
WAT ABT INDIA WHERE IS IT IN THE LIST IN NO 1? Can u give the source of this info? Which countries are in the top 10 what educ system are they following? Any ideas ??
The reason behind these problems is———>
In modern edn system no where it is told even implicitly
“Dont eat non veg”,
“Money alone won’t assure happiness”,
“How to get REAL happiness?”
unlike in flawless Vedic education where many more things like this, have been told explicitly, which can solve real problems of society…ofcourse if followed.
But wen no body knows abt Vedas where is the question of following.
Coming to India…
Problems in India have not reached such a stage ONLY ONLY bec Indians are little bit VEDIC without their knowledge, there is some culture(dharma) still left in India, there is still some fear about God in people.
THEY FEAR GOD BUT THEY STILL DO ALL SORTS OF WRONG THINGS AND MANY OF THEM DONT KNOW THE TRUE MEANING OF GOD AS PER U, SO HOW MANY DO U THINK REALLY KNOW ABT GOD IN INDIA?
But India can achieve that feat(???) in the coming decades if Vedas continue to fade from human beings or if Vedas dont become a part of Today’s curriculum. But i’m sure Vedas will never be made a part today’s curriculum by the educated(?) Educational Dept bec they are not smart enough to do so. Once again hats off to Lord Macualay…
So ISKCON Bglore is knocking the doors of schools and colleges to give Vedic programs to Awaken the unguided youth…
The problem is not in stem, branches or leaves. The problem is in the ROOTS…!!!:-( But very few know this
Again search for the grain of truth. These are not opinions these are facts.
AGREED THAT THESE ARE FACTS, SO PLS GIVE ME SOME MORE I HAVE REQUESTED
Basic problem is I had not written a convincing, explainative post on Today’s educaUtion sys bec I had written it quite urgently. Surely I will come up one post which can make any one to nod their head.
YOU ARE WELCOME
You may(will) not be convinced by any of these painstakingly written explanations.
After all wat ever u read in this blog is just theory and Theory is always theory. Only wen theory is backed up by practicals then we can understand, literally perceive and appreciate theory.
Programs conducted in ISKCON Bglore are practical classes
WELL LETS C IF I AM INTERESTED I WILL….I DONT FEAR TO BE TAKEN AWAY BY THE STORM
Thanks for reading so far…
NO PROB AS LONG AS U ANSWER MY QSTNS
Its so easy for you to comment like this, and its so difficult for me to convince you
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Exactly, when u propose ur theories, its easy for u to tell but to get convinced its very difficult !!! Solution is same?? Attend any program in ISKCON bglore
When u tread on a thin line its difficult to balance that’s why the difficulty !!
So I would suggest ISKCON mumbai guys to read and FOLLOW product manuals. Not just for them but for everyone including myself…
Assume u teach vedas to ppl today how many r going to FOLLOW it?? Why do u think ppl dont follow vedas even when they know it can bring real happiness (like ISKCON mumbai)?
Just reading product manual will not help. Instructions given in manual need to be followed.
Thats where lies the real problem my Bro, there is a lot edn sys teaches which is not followed as well and u r not taking that into account anywhere.